{"id":164,"date":"2010-01-10T20:47:22","date_gmt":"2010-01-10T20:47:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/wpctw\/thureon-defense-carbine\/"},"modified":"2010-01-10T20:47:22","modified_gmt":"2010-01-10T20:47:22","slug":"thureon-defense-carbine","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/wpctw\/thureon-defense-carbine\/","title":{"rendered":"Thureon Defense Carbine"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><P>Click the READ MORE below to read the article on the Thureon Defense 9mm Carbine.&nbsp; This includes both the article and the link to the video.<\/P> <HR id=system-readmore>  <H1>Thureon Defense Carbine<\/H1> <P>by Jessie Indracusin<\/P> <H2>Introduction<\/H2> <P>I have had a lot of questions about &#8220;affordable tactical carbines&#8221;.&nbsp; I have had some critism on the website about the average cost of most of the tactical firearms we show on the website.&nbsp; So I decided to start adding in some inexpensive fine guns to shoot.&nbsp; These guns are not really well suited for direct comparison with some other weapons we cover.&nbsp; So in a nut shell, please don&#8217;t ask me to compare this to a converted H&amp;K UMP 45 that runs over $3000 all dressed up.&nbsp; The most direct competitors to this gun are Keltec Sub 2000 (which I am not recommending, just telling you about what some people are looking for at this price range), Beretta Cx4 Carbine and Vector Arms 9mm Uzi Variants.&nbsp; <\/P> <H2>Review<\/H2> <P>&nbsp;The Thureon Defense SA 9mm Carbine is a gun designed for the casual shooter who is looking to add an interesting low cost carbine to their collection.&nbsp; Weapons under this $700.00 price range tend to be un-reliable and made in foreign countries (and most of the time, not countries that take a lot of pride in their cheap exports).&nbsp; Andy Huebschmann has delivered an excellent priced option for people looking for exactly this.<\/P> <P>Andy wanted to provide a full 9mm AR for the price of what a lot of 9mm conversions costs.&nbsp; Is this as good as a 9mm conversion for an AR that you already have?&nbsp; Not exactly.&nbsp; If you have an AR already and want to do a 9mm conversion, there are some significant advantages to doing that over <IMG border=2 alt=\" \" align=left src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/td_1.jpg\" width=474 height=163 mce_src=\"images\/td_1.jpg\">this option.&nbsp; The main being that you can train with the exact same equipment and layout that you have with your 5.56\/.223 AR, just using cheaper 9mm ammunition.&nbsp; However, if your goal from the beginning is to get a 9mm Carbine and you don&#8217;t have an AR already or have a desire to get a 5.56\/.223 Rifle, this is an excellent option.&nbsp; <\/P> <P>The lower is a typical AR system along with the telescope rear allows all standard butt stocks to be attached.&nbsp; Safety switches have the positions of any standard AR with a 90 degree rotation to move from Safe to fire.&nbsp; The similiarities end there.&nbsp; <\/P> <P>The magazines are a modified Colt 9mm 32-round magazines.&nbsp; The gun is&nbsp;a solid design, no real rattle to the gun when you shake it around.&nbsp; The parts all sit tight and match up well.&nbsp; There are no un-finished, rough edges on this gun.&nbsp; Even though everything fits very well, nothing is difficult to remove or dis-assemble on the gun.&nbsp; <\/P> <P>Everything required to disassemble for a normal cleaning, does not require any tools.&nbsp; This is a personal preference of mine that no special tools are needed to do normal maintenance.&nbsp; <\/P> <H2>Issues\/Design Complaints<\/H2> <P>First off, I would like to say these complaints are alll rather minor.&nbsp;<\/P> <P>1)&nbsp; The biggest complaint is the factory sights.&nbsp; The weapon does have a standard accessory rail on top of the gun.&nbsp; The picatinny rail on the top of the gun allows you to attach some better sights to the gun.&nbsp; The issue with the sights is how small the rear sight is and how large the front peg sight is.&nbsp; When you are trying to shoot beyond&nbsp;15 yards, the sights get in the way of having this gun reach it&#8217;s full potential.&nbsp; I was tempted to attach an Eotech 516 to the gun, which fits perfect on the gun, but decided against it based on the typical market this gun is geared towards.&nbsp; I was concerned<IMG border=2 alt=\" \" align=right src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/td_2.jpg\" width=467 height=205 mce_src=\"images\/td_2.jpg\"> that not many people would invest in a $400 optic on a $700 gun.&nbsp; <\/P> <P>2)&nbsp; My next issue with the gun is the magazine choice.&nbsp; I would have preferred this to be a Glock-18 magazine since these are much easier to come by and are made better than these older metal Colt 9mm magazines.&nbsp; When you look at the video and see the video bit about the magazines, these issues are not encountered on Glock magazines.<\/P> <P>3)&nbsp; Minor complaint on the magazine well.&nbsp; This partly to do with the magazine and a little to do with the magazine well.&nbsp; If the bottom portion of the magazine well were polished, it would allow the magazine to slide better into the gun with no friction.&nbsp; This is, a very minor problem and I would say more of a personal preference.&nbsp; <\/P> <P><SPAN style=\"WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium 'Times New Roman'; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: #000000; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px\" class=Apple-style-span mce_style=\"widows: 2; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; font: medium 'Times New Roman'; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; letter-spacing: normal; color: #000000; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px\"><SPAN style=\"TEXT-ALIGN: left; LINE-HEIGHT: 13px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse; FONT-FAMILY: Arial, Helvetica, 'Sans Serif'; COLOR: #333333; FONT-SIZE: 11px\" class=Apple-style-span mce_style=\"text-align: left; line-height: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, 'Sans Serif'; color: #333333; font-size: 11px\"> <H2>Conclusions<\/H2> <P>This gun performs very well and meets up well to the exceptations one can have for a gun of this price.&nbsp; This gun retails for $659.99 and can be purchased directly from Thureon Defense.&nbsp; There is a .45 caliber version in the works that we will look at reviewing in the future when it comes out.&nbsp; <\/P> <P><STRONG>Thureon Defense<\/STRONG><\/P> <P><A href=\"http:\/\/www.thureondefense.com\/\" mce_href=\"http:\/\/www.thureondefense.com\/\">http:\/\/www.thureondefense.com<\/A><\/P> <P>2118 Wisconsin Avenue<\/P> <P>PO Box 173<\/P> <P>New Holstein, WI 53061<\/P> <P>920-898-5859<\/P> <H2>Review<\/H2> <P>PRICE:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><\/P> <P>FEATURES\/DESIGN:<IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><\/P> <P>INNOVATION:<IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><\/P> <P>DURABILITY:<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space>&nbsp;<IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><\/SPAN><\/P> <P>&nbsp;RELIABILITY:<IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><\/P> <P>ACCURACY: <IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\">****<\/P> <P>OVERALL:<IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><IMG alt=\" \" src=\"http:\/\/www.civiliantacticalweapons.com\/images\/glock.jpg\" width=47 height=33 mce_src=\"images\/glock.jpg\"><\/P> <P>Accuracy based on NOT using the iron sights on the gun and instead using some form of a third party optic.&nbsp; Using the provided sites, I would rate it at a 3.<\/P><\/P> <P align=center>{youtube}41DcxVCEePc{\/youtube}<\/P> <P> <P>&nbsp;<\/P><\/SPAN><\/SPAN><\/P><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Click the READ MORE below to read the article on the Thureon Defense 9mm Carbine.&nbsp; This includes both the article and the link to the video. 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